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Author hlellelid
Full name Hans Lellelid
Date 2006-10-04 05:33:00 PDT
Message Hi Pedram,

David's tone may have been a bit brusque, but it's probably a cultural
difference more than a personal one. In any event, he's right that
we're not concerning ourselves with PHP4, not after PHP5 has been out
for years. PHP4 may exist in legacy applications, but it is dead for
new project development. PEAR is about to require all new packages be
PHP5, which (given PEAR's relatively conservative outlook) is a pretty
good indication that it is in its twilight.

Also, I think you under-appreciate David, Alan, et. al research &
contribution to the problem at hand. David isn't reporting hearsay
about engine internals, he took the time to write to internals and find
out why it was behaving as it is.

Anyway, we are all enterprise programmers here. And I think this
project is extremely open to contributions and suggestions. You are
welcome to propose additions to the generator and/or runtime, and I'm
confident that your ideas will get as much attention as anyone else's.
Of course, you will be more likely to see your ideas adopted and code
accepted, if you are able to work with others on the list in a
constructive way.


Pedram Nimreezi wrote:
> That's the thing... I don't load every class every request...
> I'm loading the classes I'll know I'll need all the time...
> And no David I don't think I'm solving yesterdays problems...
> and I don't really appreciate your attitude either...
> My web applications push what can be done on the net today
> and I've been programming for 15 years... php 4 will be
> dead in about 3 years... it's not dead yet... and net years
> are like dog years.... I'm an enterprise programmer what
> maybe great for everybody is buggy inconsistency for me...
> Not everyone has the same stringent requirements yet
> everyone is very quick to jump in to add what they've
> "heard" .... Ignoring the fact that I have actual tests and
> years of research already invested is what is utter frickin nonsense..
> On 10/3/06, Soenke Ruempler <soenke at ruempler dot eu> wrote:
>> On 03.10.2006 21:19, Pedram Nimreezi wrote:
>> > I think I'm gonna fork propel and creole.... at least my version,
>> > its designed for opcode caching and is backward compatible for 4 and 5
>> > and I want to focus on the application writing, this is enough for
>> db...
>> > As for the performance issues I've fixed that quite a long time ago
>> > and when I was discussing it no one would even acknowledge it...
>> > and I don't use php 5 or APC... as they're both still buggy... (even 2
>> > years later)
>> Yeah, APC is buggy for PHP 5. I'm using PHP 5.1 with eAccelerator 0.9.5
>> - very stable! Maybe you wanna give it a try. PHP 4 is history in my
>> eyes (and only bug fixed by some bigger companies that rely on it [say:
>> eZ]).
>> --
>> Best regards / Mit freundlichen Gruessen
>> Sönke Ruempler
>> soenke at ruempler dot eu
>> http://www.ruempler.eu/
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