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Author Pedram Nimreezi <zenstyle@gmail.com>
Full name Pedram Nimreezi <zenstyle@gmail.com>
Date 2006-10-04 12:47:32 PDT
Message Understood... Agreed and this is definitely a "light" version,
thank you Hans I've been waiting to hear that...

I won't fork it... I'll release this and help you guys however I can...

On 10/4/06, Hans Lellelid <hans at velum dot net> wrote:
> Ok, fair enough :)
>
> Yes, Pedram, I think we're all in agreement that you can do what you
> will with PHP4-Propel. I never heard back from Michael, but, assuming
> you also didn't hear anything, I'm guessing that he's ok with the old
> PHP4 version being licensed under a more liberal license. That said,
> the PHP4 version is a pretty big step backward in functionality.
>
> Hans
>
> David Zülke wrote:
> > Actually, my tone was a bit brusque, yes, and that's because you
> > offered SVN access for anyone who'd like to contribute to the PHP4
> > version about 7123617263 times, and yet, he doesn't seem to care, but
> > instead prefers to walk in, tells us why he thinks Propel is useless
> > and then acts all huffy with some "I'm forking Propel and do it
> > properly" instead of doing the obvious, namely fixing his complaints
> > himself. Also, I do not _at all_ understand why he complains about
> > Propel not being suitable for opcode caching in the very thread that
> > discusses the elimination of this drawback.
> >
> > So, Pedram, just drop Hans a line and he'll be happy to set up an SVN
> > account for you.
> >
> > David
> >
> >
> > Am 04.10.2006 um 14:33 schrieb Hans Lellelid:
> >
> >> Hi Pedram,
> >>
> >> David's tone may have been a bit brusque, but it's probably a cultural
> >> difference more than a personal one. In any event, he's right that
> >> we're not concerning ourselves with PHP4, not after PHP5 has been out
> >> for years. PHP4 may exist in legacy applications, but it is dead for
> >> new project development. PEAR is about to require all new packages be
> >> PHP5, which (given PEAR's relatively conservative outlook) is a pretty
> >> good indication that it is in its twilight.
> >>
> >> Also, I think you under-appreciate David, Alan, et. al research &
> >> contribution to the problem at hand. David isn't reporting hearsay
> >> about engine internals, he took the time to write to internals and find
> >> out why it was behaving as it is.
> >>
> >> Anyway, we are all enterprise programmers here. And I think this
> >> project is extremely open to contributions and suggestions. You are
> >> welcome to propose additions to the generator and/or runtime, and I'm
> >> confident that your ideas will get as much attention as anyone else's.
> >> Of course, you will be more likely to see your ideas adopted and code
> >> accepted, if you are able to work with others on the list in a
> >> constructive way.
> >>
> >> Hans
> >>
> >> Pedram Nimreezi wrote:
> >>> That's the thing... I don't load every class every request...
> >>> I'm loading the classes I'll know I'll need all the time...
> >>> And no David I don't think I'm solving yesterdays problems...
> >>> and I don't really appreciate your attitude either...
> >>> My web applications push what can be done on the net today
> >>> and I've been programming for 15 years... php 4 will be
> >>> dead in about 3 years... it's not dead yet... and net years
> >>> are like dog years.... I'm an enterprise programmer what
> >>> maybe great for everybody is buggy inconsistency for me...
> >>> Not everyone has the same stringent requirements yet
> >>> everyone is very quick to jump in to add what they've
> >>> "heard" .... Ignoring the fact that I have actual tests and
> >>> years of research already invested is what is utter frickin nonsense..
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 10/3/06, Soenke Ruempler <soenke at ruempler dot eu> wrote:
> >>>> On 03.10.2006 21:19, Pedram Nimreezi wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> I think I'm gonna fork propel and creole.... at least my version,
> >>>>> its designed for opcode caching and is backward compatible for 4
> >>>>> and 5
> >>>>> and I want to focus on the application writing, this is enough for
> >>>> db...
> >>>>> As for the performance issues I've fixed that quite a long time ago
> >>>>> and when I was discussing it no one would even acknowledge it...
> >>>>> and I don't use php 5 or APC... as they're both still buggy...
> >>>>> (even 2
> >>>>> years later)
> >>>>
> >>>> Yeah, APC is buggy for PHP 5. I'm using PHP 5.1 with eAccelerator
> >>>> 0.9.5
> >>>> - very stable! Maybe you wanna give it a try. PHP 4 is history in my
> >>>> eyes (and only bug fixed by some bigger companies that rely on it
> >>>> [say:
> >>>> eZ]).
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Best regards / Mit freundlichen Gruessen
> >>>>
> >>>> Sönke Ruempler
> >>>> soenke at ruempler dot eu
> >>>> http://www.ruempler.eu/
> >>>>
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> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
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