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Author hlellelid
Full name Hans Lellelid
Date 2007-07-19 06:42:12 PDT
Message Oliver Schonrock wrote:
> Cameron Brunner wrote:
>> Silence is good bad or otherwise?
> Don't take offense please. I like the features, but I am not sure about
> the implementation:
> - using static $query seems untidy
> - using __destruct() can cause problems depending on your environment
> - using direct var_dump() it not always suitable.
> if we are going to add this to the core propel repository, my view would
> be that it should meet the same criteria as the rest of the code as a
> generic, high quality toolkit.
> Part of the reason I focused on simple features was that it is not
> obvious how to solve some of the above problems with the more advanced
> features while adhering to the quality standards of the rest of the
> code. ie can run in any environment, etc..
> Opinions?

Without having looked at the code, I second this opinion. We definitely
don't want to use var_dump, for instance, as this is not particularly
useful when building webapps that don't return HTML (i.e. that return

My input would be that we need the default PropelPDO to be as
unencumbered as possible (fast). If we're going to keep all the debug
stuff in a separate object, then it doesn't matter much how that
performs. If, however, the aim is to merge this into PropelPDO, then we
need to make sure that we're doing things in an optimized -- and yes,
"correct" -- way. We definitely don't want to open the door for subtle
PHP issues.

One thing I have learned from using Propel + PDO in PHP 5.2.2 is that
PDO is not particularly bug-free :) I have dealt with a number of
segfaults that are directly traceable to PDO. Sometimes it is the
result of a malformed query (why this segfaults, I have no idea) --- or
use of PDO streams within user-defined stream wrappers. I *hate*
debugging segfaults in PHP; what a waste of time. There's apparently
some really messy stuff under the hood there :) Let's do what we can to
keep it from rearing its ugly head for users.