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Author hlellelid
Full name Hans Lellelid
Date 2007-02-16 07:55:58 PST
Message Thanks -- that is very helpful feedback. It definitely sounds like
you'll need do some customization to get what you want. The hope, then,
on my part, is that you find it relatively straightforward to add in
these customizations ... and if not, it would be great to hear about
ways of improving that.

We do plan (for 2.0) to add this idea of builder "modules" that you can
combine together to affect the output. That could be useful for you,
since you might want all of your save() methods modified to perform the
additional auditing updates needed -- so the vision is that you would
enable the your.package.AutoAuditor builder "plugin" which would
override the default save() method functionality.

Currently, of course, you would have to extend the
PHP5ComplexObjectBuilder class and override the save() definition there.
 That works, but I think there's a real case for having pluggable
builder components -- e.g. you might want to add a toXml() method, I
want Prado-style overloaders, and I want this nifty auditing tool. The
hope is that we could also remove some extraneous stuff from the main
builder classes and let users enable/disable the functionality they need.

Hans

Robert Bruce wrote:
> Well guys, in our company we have made future plans to add extra features
> for what we need, eg. auditing, triggers etc.
>
> We found it was a really great that we can specify an alternative base
> object extending yours, but we found that we would need to use our own
> modified xsd to get the extra elements and attributes we need to implement
> our extra features (tell me if we are wrong....).
>
> For example we are going to add an audit attribute to the table element
> (true/false default: false), then any new or updated rows are serialized
> and stored in an audit table, linked by auditID. However are thinking
> about extending this futher as to also have an auditMethod attribute,
> serialization being one way, history being another which would create a
> structural copy of each audited table, but adding a historyID column to
> maintain the history.
>
> On Fri, February 16, 2007 3:36 pm, Hans Lellelid wrote:
>> Ok, well let's see what sort of feedback we get. I'm certainly not
>> opposed to being honest, -- especially if the feedback is good/helpful :)
>>
>> Hans
>>
>> Cameron Brunner wrote:
>>> hmmmm, idk, noone lists honest experiences, they always pick and
>>> choose what they want to show the users, i would be more inclined to
>>> make sure the arguments they have is valid and just post it, good bad
>>> or otherwise. i would also be inclined to link to propel blog posts
>>> and so on for more random info from users to be found easily
>>>
>>> On 2/17/07, Hans Lellelid <hans at velum dot net> wrote:
>>>> I should clarify that I'm interested in honest negative experience as
>>>> well, but I'm not sure if that is a good marketing idea on the user
>>>> case
>>>> studies page.
>>>>
>>>> Hans
>>>>
>>>> Cameron Brunner wrote:
>>>>> I'm still quite interested in honest negative experiences as well, we
>>>>> need these to learn what we need to do for users, not just people
>>>>> saying 'j00 r0x'
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll create it shortly then, ill add a sample as well as 1 for a site
>>>>> i launched a little while back
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/17/07, Hans Lellelid <hans at velum dot net> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Cameron,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Actually, I'll let you create the wiki page, if that's ok. You
>>>> seem to
>>>>>> have a lot of ideas about it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm open to either -- or, maybe better, both -- the short & some
>>>> long
>>>>>> mini "case studies" perhaps. I think it would be useful to hear
>>>> what
>>>>>> people have to say about their experience -- at least the positive
>>>>>> parts :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hans
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cameron Brunner wrote:
>>>>>>> how much info do we want on each of them? do we want each to have
>>>>>>> their own page of their experience with it? do we want it just to
>>>> be a
>>>>>>> link to the site? do we want it to contain email address of the
>>>> person
>>>>>>> as well?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> honestly i wouldnt mind to get some useful info outta this about
>>>> who
>>>>>>> uses it for what and what versions and if they made custom
>>>> builders
>>>>>>> and blahblah?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2/17/07, Hans Lellelid <hans at velum dot net> wrote:
>>>>>​>>> Hi,
>>>>>​>>>
>>>>>​>>> I think that's a great idea. I can create a page for that on the
>>>>>> wiki.
>>>>>​>>> I'd also be very willing to have anyone with some graphics
>>>>>> experience /
>>>>>​>>> time on their hands to create a logo! (You'll get credit & tons
>>>> of
>>>>>​>>> appreciation, of course!) :)
>>>>>​>>>
>>>>>​>>> Hans
>>>>>​>>>
>>>>>​>>> Robert Bruce wrote:
>>>>>​>>>> Our company uses propel, we wouldn't object at all. Our product
>>>>>> hasn't
>>>>>​>>>> been released yet, but it due to be soon.
>>>>>​>>>>
>>>>>​>>>> We've done some interesting stuff with using propel to obtain
>>>> Smarty
>>>>>​>>>> templates from the database, with some extra magic too.
>>>>>​>>>>
>>>>>​>>>> On Fri, February 16, 2007 1:47 pm, Cameron Brunner wrote:
>>>>>​>>>>>​ Was just curious if anyone objected to a page in trac
>>>> dedicated to
>>>>>​>>>>>​ sites/projects that are powered by propel (purely propel?
>>>>>> symfony as
>>>>>​>>>>>​ well?) and/or companies that use propel? Perhaps even some
>>>> general
>>>>>​>>>>>​ reports from users on why they use it blahblah?
>>>>>​>>>>>​
>>>>>​>>>>>​ Also has anyone got a nice little powered by propel logo?
>>>>>​>>>>>​
>>>>>​>>>>>​ --
>>>>>​>>>>>​ Cameron Brunner
>>>>>​>>>>>​
>>>>>​>>>>>​ Want a better web browser?
>>>>>​>>>>>​ http://www.spreadfir​efox.com/?q=affiliat​es&id=182780​&t=1
>>>>>​>>>>>​
>>>>>​>>>>>​
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>>>>>​>>>>>​
>>>>>​>>>>
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Powered by propel? Cameron Brunner <cameron dot brunner at gmail dot com> Cameron Brunner <cameron dot brunner at gmail dot com> 2007-02-16 05:47:19 PST
     Re: [propel-dev] Powered by propel? Robert Bruce <rob at tdd dot org dot uk> Robert Bruce <rob at tdd dot org dot uk> 2007-02-16 06:53:40 PST
         Re: [propel-dev] Powered by propel? hlellelid Hans Lellelid 2007-02-16 07:03:42 PST
             Re: [propel-dev] Powered by propel? Robert Bruce <rob at tdd dot org dot uk> Robert Bruce <rob at tdd dot org dot uk> 2007-02-16 08:03:56 PST
                 Re: [propel-dev] Powered by propel? Cameron Brunner <cameron dot brunner at gmail dot com> Cameron Brunner <cameron dot brunner at gmail dot com> 2007-02-16 07:05:19 PST
                     Re: [propel-dev] Powered by propel? Robert Bruce <rob at tdd dot org dot uk> Robert Bruce <rob at tdd dot org dot uk> 2007-02-16 08:09:30 PST
                         Re: [propel-dev] Powered by propel? Cameron Brunner <cameron dot brunner at gmail dot com> Cameron Brunner <cameron dot brunner at gmail dot com> 2007-02-16 07:11:14 PST
                         Re: [propel-dev] Powered by propel? hlellelid Hans Lellelid 2007-02-16 07:14:41 PST
                 Re: [propel-dev] Powered by propel? hlellelid Hans Lellelid 2007-02-16 07:15:28 PST
             Re: [propel-dev] Powered by propel? Cameron Brunner <cameron dot brunner at gmail dot com> Cameron Brunner <cameron dot brunner at gmail dot com> 2007-02-16 07:06:55 PST
                 Re: [propel-dev] Powered by propel? hlellelid Hans Lellelid 2007-02-16 07:13:31 PST
                     Re: [propel-dev] Powered by propel? Cameron Brunner <cameron dot brunner at gmail dot com> Cameron Brunner <cameron dot brunner at gmail dot com> 2007-02-16 07:14:19 PST
                         Re: [propel-dev] Powered by propel? hlellelid Hans Lellelid 2007-02-16 07:20:43 PST
                             Re: [propel-dev] Powered by propel? Cameron Brunner <cameron dot brunner at gmail dot com> Cameron Brunner <cameron dot brunner at gmail dot com> 2007-02-16 07:31:14 PST
                                 Re: [propel-dev] Powered by propel? hlellelid Hans Lellelid 2007-02-16 07:36:55 PST
                                     Re: [propel-dev] Powered by propel? Robert Bruce <rob at tdd dot org dot uk> Robert Bruce <rob at tdd dot org dot uk> 2007-02-16 08:47:38 PST
                                         Re: [propel-dev] Powered by propel? hlellelid Hans Lellelid 2007-02-16 07:55:58 PST
             Re: [propel-dev] Powered by propel? =?ISO-8859-1?Q?David_Z=FClke?= <dz at bitxtender dot com> =?ISO-8859-1?Q?David_Z=FClke?= <dz at bitxtender dot com> 2007-02-16 14:36:45 PST
                 Re: [propel-dev] Powered by propel? hlellelid Hans Lellelid 2007-02-16 14:41:00 PST
                     Re: [propel-dev] Powered by propel? Robert Bruce <rob at thirddimensiondesign dot co dot uk> Robert Bruce <rob at thirddimensiondesign dot co dot uk> 2007-02-16 15:26:45 PST
                         Re: [propel-dev] Powered by propel? hlellelid Hans Lellelid 2007-02-16 16:22:22 PST
                         Re: [propel-dev] Powered by propel? Cameron Brunner <cameron dot brunner at gmail dot com> Cameron Brunner <cameron dot brunner at gmail dot com> 2007-02-16 17:18:24 PST
                             Re: [propel-dev] Powered by propel? hlellelid Hans Lellelid 2007-02-16 17:57:01 PST
                                 Re: [propel-dev] Powered by propel? hlellelid Hans Lellelid 2007-02-16 18:01:04 PST
                                     Re: [propel-dev] Powered by propel? Cameron Brunner <cameron dot brunner at gmail dot com> Cameron Brunner <cameron dot brunner at gmail dot com> 2007-02-16 18:39:56 PST
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